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I built a 2x12 frame and used a durable tarp liner.  I wrapped the liner up around the outside of the boards.  But I only wrapped it 2-3" and the water finds it's way up and around on the low sides of my rink. 

 

I thought that the ice would solidify and form a water tight seal up against the inside of the boards, and not allow it to go out and up.  But this does not seem to be the case.  Maybe it would if we had very low temps, but we haven't yet.  And I'm worried about getting things built properly prior to the snow flying.

 

 What can I do to seal this off better?  I'm thinking of using the snow/ice tape to tape the edge of the tarp/liner to the boards and then maybe add a strip of plastic with silicone adhesive/sealant along the edges, all along the perimeter.  I'd maybe then screw in a 2x4 to hold this new piece of plastic to the outside of the boards. 

Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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Have you considered making the rink a few inches smaller? Say 6 inches on each side?  That would seem like the simplest and most effective approach. 

Kurt

First look at the liner is it a weave or a solid plastic

If it a weave (the standard blue traps you see are a weave) then they will always leak a bit

and you have to wait for cold weather (they will hold some water)

If it solid then Tuck tape the edges (it stick to almost everything) to the boards

Do one line of tape and overlap a second line 

I use Tuck tape to patch holes in my blue tarp (Duck tape doesn't work)    

Check your corners also major spot for leaks

Thanks for the tips Daniel.  It is a standard weave, white tarp (12x12 count, 6 oz).  What is "tuck" tape?  I was looking at the Nashua Snow/Ice tape.  Is that what you mean? 

 

I think you're right about the cold weather.  I have just been anxious to get it filled.  I think I put too much water in at once and need to 'layer' it slowly.

Thanks again for the feedback.


 
Daniel robitaille said:

Kurt

First look at the liner is it a weave or a solid plastic

If it a weave (the standard blue traps you see are a weave) then they will always leak a bit

and you have to wait for cold weather (they will hold some water)

If it solid then Tuck tape the edges (it stick to almost everything) to the boards

Do one line of tape and overlap a second line 

I use Tuck tape to patch holes in my blue tarp (Duck tape doesn't work)    

Check your corners also major spot for leaks

In my experience, the poly weave tarps really don't leak. I have used one the last year and had no issues with it leaking through the weave.

It sounds like your biggest problem was probably filling too much water before the temps got cold enough. You need 48-72 hours of constant below freezing temps (preferably in the low 20's or teens F) to solidly freeze your ice.

I usually start with about 3 inches of water and add an inch a night when it's cold enough. Layering your ice like this will make it stronger and less likely to crack. Also, you won't get the shell ice that sometimes occurs when he top layer of water freezes and the water underneath doesn't.

Its good that you have a white liner, as the blue or colored ones attract the sun and make it difficult for the water to freeze.

It was hard to tell by your post, but did you wrap your liner up and over your boards, securing to the outside of the boards,, or under them? If you went under, this is could be your problem. 

Yes, I went under the board.  That is the problem.  I only wrapped it up ~2-3" on the outside.  I know this is the issue.  I hope that if I layer it, like you suggest, and get that initial frozen layer, that I'll be OK.  We just haven't had the consistent cold weather. 

Thanks!


 
Karen Noto said:

In my experience, the poly weave tarps really don't leak. I have used one the last year and had no issues with it leaking through the weave.

It sounds like your biggest problem was probably filling too much water before the temps got cold enough. You need 48-72 hours of constant below freezing temps (preferably in the low 20's or teens F) to solidly freeze your ice.

I usually start with about 3 inches of water and add an inch a night when it's cold enough. Layering your ice like this will make it stronger and less likely to crack. Also, you won't get the shell ice that sometimes occurs when he top layer of water freezes and the water underneath doesn't.

Its good that you have a white liner, as the blue or colored ones attract the sun and make it difficult for the water to freeze.

It was hard to tell by your post, but did you wrap your liner up and over your boards, securing to the outside of the boards,, or under them? If you went under, this is could be your problem. 

Kurt  tuck tape is a red builder tape use in house building

Wait for the first cold night then mist the rink to make slush 

push the slush to the edges of your boards let freeze

see how they made rinks before liners for the Idea

If you have snow pack the edge and water same Idea 

I haven't heard of anyone having any success with wrapping the liner under the boards before. The issue is that the water gets in behind the boards, which are there to support the weight of the water and ice. If there is water behind the boards, the dependability of the boards is questionable at best.

I would suggest that you drain what you have in your rink (unwrap one end of the tarp and let the water slowly drain) and wrap your liner up and over your boards before the weather gets too cold to do it. It may sound extreme, but believe me, it will save you a ton of major issues after the weather gets so cold you won't want to be out messing with it.

Hope this helps.

Yep...I'd go with Karen...in the last 3yrs of building my backyard rink I have always gone UP and OVER the boards and back down on the other side to the ground with no issues...and I would ONLY put the poly 6 mm liner in on the same day that I am going to fill, and that would ONLY happen if the forecast called for -10 celsius for like 4 days/nights in a row...good luck :)

Thanks Mark. I understand the benefit of going inside.  But if the liner goes up high enough on the outside, it would be completely fine.  My problem is I didn't run it up high enough.  My concern on having the liner on the inside is that my kids would beat it up big time with their sticks and pucks.  Doesn't this become an issue?  


 
Mark Cunningham said:

Yep...I'd go with Karen...in the last 3yrs of building my backyard rink I have always gone UP and OVER the boards and back down on the other side to the ground with no issues...and I would ONLY put the poly 6 mm liner in on the same day that I am going to fill, and that would ONLY happen if the forecast called for -10 celsius for like 4 days/nights in a row...good luck :)

Kurt Really I not had an issue with wear on the tarp when rap around a board

When I first flood I push the slush to the edge and Skates never get close to it

With that said You could build a step over the boards where they get on/off

just make sure no nail head on the steps to dull skates

Has anyone try just putting a second board up to samwich the tarp ?

This year I built 4" dasher boards out of 4'x8' 5/8" plywood sheets (spray painted safety cautionary yellow) that will go around the inside of the rink along the outside edge of the ice surface (once the ice is in place), about a 1/4" above the ice surface itself...plus I have 6 12' length pieces of stair nosing (from off my old pool deck) to place along the top edge of the top 2x6's that will not only protect the top of the 6mm poly liner from getting ripped/sliced from sticks/skates/shovels, but will also help in holding the poly liner down flat to the top row of 2x6 boards...and for added measure my father and I built 7 1'x8' & 2 2'x8' (these 2 higher ones will go at the end of the rink closest to the house) side board panels out of white privacy PVC type panelling that I was using around my previous pool deck...the PVC panelling has 3 sheets within each framed panel (made out of 1'x3'x8 boards...painted black) and will be placed (about the width of a puck in height) along the top rink boards...so the finished look will be dasher board/stair nosing/side board framed panels (a puck width height over the 2x6 top row of boards; each panel will also have some laser printed NHL team logos and NHL 2011/12 event logos fastened by screw n glue).

 

The rink will be 16' 8"x37'8" (measured out that way so that there was no overhanging of panel frames at either end) ...that's about the biggest I could go in my backyard...at the end of the rink season, I'll toss out the liner (why I don't care about the small nail/screw holes I'll make in it), and I buy 20'x100' poly liner every other year for about $120 at a local RONA store.

 

With you using a tarp, I'm not sure you can do the same re: dasher boards if your looking to re-use the same tarp each year...maybe you can but I'd be worried that I could match up the screw holes each year so that I'm not adding new ones :(

 

 

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